Conflation, Made Up History and Hannitized!

Hannitized left this comment in a hot steaming pile beneath this post from earlier today...

is that it conveys the message that we are willing to accept some unquantified degree of violation of our laws.

That is a logical conclusion, only if you have no knowledge of history and no conscience about how it is these immigrants came to be "alien".

While this idea is far to complex for most idiotic Americans. There are those in this country who understand the Christian principles this country was founded on. They understand that their are certain moral truths and absolutes. Knowing this enables people to put aside the concept of legal law, in place of moral law.

Most American like to pretend to cloud this issue with wrongs that have been committed over seas by other nations. They do this in order to delude the historical facts our country is burdened with. We are conquerers of nations and people.

A much more less deluded example would be to look at what is happening in Hawaii. We have the Native people who are being pushed out of their own land because Americans have come and invaded the islands and pushed them to the brink of extinction. Now, as these people suffer economically due to their cultural differences they slowly find themselves unable to compete with the cheerful invaders because the property values continue to rise as the elite-cheerful invaders continue to invade the land that was stolen from them.

Many Hawaiians are living on beaches because they can not afford rent. Is this illegal to live on the public beaches in tents? Yes. Is it morally right to enforce the law on these people? No. But a balance must be struck in order for things to work out.

The law enforcement of Hawaii is in a rough spot. They know the misfortune that Hawaiians suffered as the cheerful invaders came and changed the language and culture they were used to. But they also know that the Hawaiians need to rise up and get a foot hold. How do they do that? Well, they are given Hawaiian homelands and other various means of social benefits that enable them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

The same type of logic is what you see when you hear talks of Amnesty for "illegal" immigrants. The so-called illegals are doing nothing more than trying to regain a foothold in the land that was once theirs in addition to trying to come up to speed in a culture that engulfed them, changed their world and that they are now forced to live in.

The real question is; Can America afford this influx? Does America benefit from this influx? If so, how much and where do we draw the line?
Hannitized | 03.29.07 - 3:56 pm | #

Let's dig into this puppy...

That is a logical conclusion, only if you have no knowledge of history and no conscience about how it is these immigrants came to be "alien".

While this idea is far to complex for most idiotic Americans. There are those in this country who understand the Christian principles this country was founded on. They understand that their are certain moral truths and absolutes. Knowing this enables people to put aside the concept of legal law, in place of moral law.

Hannitized is fond of suggesting that modern day enforcement of our borders and immigration law is somehow comparable to the Dred Scott decision, just one problem with that, Dred Scott dealt with those who were being denied citizenship because the state didn't acknowledge them as human. Nothing of the sort is going on today.

When you replace perfectly sensible laws with "emotive" laws, laws based on what you "feel" is right, you more often than not end up with low level anarchy.

Most American like to pretend to cloud this issue with wrongs that have been committed over seas by other nations. They do this in order to delude the historical facts our country is burdened with. We are conquerers of nations and people.

And? Your point would be what? This has relevance today how? Answer: It doesn't!

This is emotional based thinking. And as we'll talk about in a minute not germane to this conversation nor in any way applicable, all conflations aside.

But let's take one second to consider this foolishness. Here's what he's saying if you strip it down: Since we were great big MeanyPants back in the day we are now obligated to lay down and die when people aren't happy they come from pitiful excuses for a country. Know what H?

A much more less deluded example would be to look at what is happening in Hawaii. We have the Native people who are being pushed out of their own land because Americans have come and invaded the islands and pushed them to the brink of extinction. Now, as these people suffer economically due to their cultural differences they slowly find themselves unable to compete with the cheerful invaders because the property values continue to rise as the elite-cheerful invaders continue to invade the land that was stolen from them.

Many Hawaiians are living on beaches because they can not afford rent. Is this illegal to live on the public beaches in tents? Yes. Is it morally right to enforce the law on these people? No. But a balance must be struck in order for things to work out.

The law enforcement of Hawaii is in a rough spot. They know the misfortune that Hawaiians suffered as the cheerful invaders came and changed the language and culture they were used to. But they also know that the Hawaiians need to rise up and get a foot hold. How do they do that? Well, they are given Hawaiian homelands and other various means of social benefits that enable them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

This is a bad example for reasons I'll get to in a minute.

The same type of logic is what you see when you hear talks of Amnesty for "illegal" immigrants. The so-called illegals are doing nothing more than trying to regain a foothold in the land that was once theirs in addition to trying to come up to speed in a culture that engulfed them, changed their world and that they are now forced to live in.

Other than being almost pure fantasy and nonsense this is a compelling argument. Hannitized rails against "idiotic Americans" not knowing history, yet there is literally no connection to anything in the historical record in this entire screed.

The lands the Americans supposedly "stole" from Mexico were empty, barren lands, hence the need to "settle" them. The Texians were settlers, one doesn't tend to "settle" bustling lands. And even after the lands were supposedly "stolen" the Mexican government offered to sell two more parcels to the United States including Baja California which makes the claims of Mexican hardship over the loss of these lands a bit hard to swallow.

These "so-called illegals" are exactly that, how on earth have we "engulfed them, changed their world and that they are now forced to live in." If they don't wish to be "engulfed" they are more than welcome to return to their native lands, of which these are most certainly not. To suggest that Mexicans are somehow entitled to live as Mexicans in America?

Uh, no. I really don't think so. This is patent, dare I say, Liberal and leftist nonsense. If anything has "engulfed" Mexicans it is their very own poor economic choices, and their inability to move away from feudalism.

Let's follow this specious logic through to its end, shall we?

By Hannitized's lights all Mexicans living in what is by any standard, Mexico, have inherited some sort of right to enter the United States in contempt of our laws because a hundred and fifty years ago we fought a war, took some land they were not making use of, and ultimately paid them a rather princely sum for land they weren't making use of!

Did I mention that they weren't using the land, that it was almost completely empty? So how that is "engulfing" folks living in modern day, poorly managed Mexico is a mystery to me.

Or, let's put this another way. Are we really to believe that if the United States hadn't taken this chunk of land that Mexico wouldn't be the corrupt, backwards third world country it is today? Why? It's not as if we took a majority of their resources, we didn't. Would the restoration of this land magically turn Mexico's poor economic judgment around? Would they suddenly fall out of love with socialism? (Pemex, the largest business in Mexico is owned by the state, that is socialism by every definiton I am aware of)(Just anticipating H's attempt to suggest that Mexico isn't really a socialist country, yes H, it is)

To follow that line of thinking, are we to believe that if Atzlan were to spring into existence tomorrow people wouldn't still be pouring over the American border? Of course they would, to get to where the money is fool! You could give Mexico all the land in the world and so long as you have to bribe school teachers for grades it will remain a backwards country.

This idea that we somehow bear responsibility for Mexico's poor choices has never made a lick of sense to me, we have carried this country on our back, bailing them out when they forgot that they couldn't take ALL the money as bribes in the 90's. NAFTA, which if they weren't complete retards actually could have helped them, but no, it's all Mr. Meanie pants America's fault that Mexico is filled with corrupt economic retards who are a hell of a lot better at pointing fingers than fixing their own shithole country!

And how in god's name did the border cross someone in Chiapas? How is that even possible as anything other than a silly slogan?

If they're engulfed here perhaps it's because they are somewhere they ain't supposed to be. Maybe it's because they have become expert at blaming others for their own failures. Maybe most of all they have forgotten that at the end of the day Mexico is a sovereign nation, not our retarded cousin, and that change begins at home, not protesting in other countries streets demanding what the sinkhole of a country you came from is incapable of providing!

And this is my ultimate complaint with these folks. They escape here illegally from a country that is incapable of providing them with the ability to make a decent living, this is understandable, but then they march in our streets, denigrating this country? I'll be goddamned if I'll accept that! At that point you can shoot every one in the head and I'll cheer! You do not break into this country illegally then have the temerity to tell me we're oppressing you? Fuck you and the Burro you rode in on you sacks of crap! Peddle this nonsense to a "conservative" like Hannitized, I'm sure he'll weep big tears for ya!

You want to sell nonsense history H? Do it on another goddamn blog because I won't stand for it! Crack an actual history book, not the Communist one, it won't kill you! And find another analogy because this one is weak my brother, weak!

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